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Pagan Wanderer Lu

Brainlove Records are probably one of the most interesting record labels around at the moment with a series of releases that don’t fit easily under one umbrella, it’s a diverse roster for a label that cares about the music and the artists.

The latest release from the label is the album Fight My Battles For Me by Pagan Wanderer Lu. To try and give you a little more insight into the twisted genius of this keyboard folk hero in waiting we caught up with him for a quick chat recently.

What do you think are the pitfalls of writing political lyrics? Is it difficult to avoid trite sloganeering?

Well you’ve pretty much answered your own question there… I think the main risk is that you end up with a song which has no merit outside of its lyrics. A song where you absorb the meaning but have no desire to listen to it again after a while. I always take issue with people focusing too much on the political songs because I don’t think the majority of my songs are political.

But I am conscious when writing something like ‘Our New Hospital Sucks’ that it needs some lightness and humour to lift it. That or it needs to have some human edge to it.

I don’t think sloganeering is inherently bad. There’s a skill in capturing an idea succinctly. Bad sloganeering can be hilarious though. I also hate it when bands write about politics because they think that’s what’s required to make their music ‘important’.

You’ve got to have some perspective on how much you can get through to people in a song. Ultimately I’m just writing about whatever I’m interested in at the time. I don’t get on stage thinking ‘now I will change the minds of the audience’.

Talk us through your electronics.. It appears you’ve got some pretty neat toys on the go…

On the album I used a Yamaha keyboard from a car boot sale, Roland D2 and MC505 grooveboxes, a korg kaoss pad and kaossilator, a Suzuki omnichord and QChord, a monome, an alesis micron, ableton live, a kazoo, a music box and some pots and pans.

As a solo artist, do you get lonely?

Yeah actually. Mostly in the bit before and after sound check at gigs. I usually have a book with me but a bit of human contact doesn’t hurt. I think I have a naturally grumpy looking face so perhaps people who would ordinarily come up and say hello are scared to do so?

I saw the live videos you recorded at Dreamtrak, they were amazing! Do you think you’d ever try and play live like that?

I’d love to really. Getting a band together kind of hasn’t worked out for reasons mostly musical. I had a band for a while which was more like a straight guitar band and that didn’t feel right. The one-off Dreamtrak band was much more like I’d want it to be – collaborative, spontaneous, people not using conventional instruments – but sadly all the people in that band live in London and I live in Cardiff.

How far do you want to take your life in music? Would you like to do it as a career?

I’ve managed to stop thinking too much in terms of music as a career. These days record labels are becoming more conservative because of the economy, and the bottom dropping out of record sales. For someone like me you’re competing with much more obviously commercial bands who are willing to do whatever nonsense it takes to get into the lottery of big money releases.

It’s well known that something like 9 out of 10 albums don’t recoup and the band gets dropped. Often perfectly good albums don’t sell for completely unknowable reasons, or you can’t tell why one band succeeds and another fails because they both basically sound the same. That’s not something I want to get involved with. The more I know about the ‘music industry’ the less I want to do with it.

Of course I’d like to be able to just make music and not have to work, but I’d rather work and not have the extra pressure of wondering whether what I write has enough commercial potential to put food on my table for another year…

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  • Pagan Wanderer Lu
  • Interviewed by: Kev
  • Published on: 29 Jun 2009
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If you had to try and narrow it down, which part of being a musician/composer/performer do you enjoy the most? Waiting for soundcheck? Working on a brand new track? Getting wasted after the show? Or something else?

Waiting for soundcheck is pretty amazing I must admit. Especially when sitting through another band’s drum soundcheck.

Definitely my favourite bit is recording a new song. Having it mapped out in my head and then finally hearing it all come together – sometimes after months and months of planning and mental tweaking. That’s the best bit. That’s the bit I’m addicted to. Doing gigs where people are into it is always fun. But it’s making the artefacts, the records that excites me.

I wouldn’t say I’m much of one for getting wasted, but I certainly like having a drink and a chat to people after the show. You do meet a lot of nice friendly people doing the kinds of shows I do. Local promoters who do it for the love tend to book bands who also do it for the love too, people who don’t view a gig as some sort of competition – which is another part of the music industry rat race that is deeply unpleasant.

Do you see the recent successes of the BNP as a win or a fail for democracy?

I’m not particularly interested in what it tells us about democracy. People will always like whatever stupid shit seems like a quick fix, whether that’s miracle diets, quack medicine, or bogeyman politics. What the BNP victories tell us is that people in the UK need to learn a higher standard of critical thinking.

People don’t understand how to analyse arguments, and are unwilling to deal with complexity. Everything the BNP say about immigration is such transparent nonsense it’s depressing to think that there are so many people who are taken in by it.

What makes you most proud about ‘Fight My Battles For Me’?

Pride is a deadly sin, along with many other entirely legitimate human emotions. After eight years of doing Pagan Wanderer Lu it’s nice to walk into an HMV and see my record there in the racks. Despite everything I’ve said about the ‘music industry’ it stills feels like a validation of some kind to get it out as a ‘proper’ record.

I think it’s an album that’s got my personality stamped all over it, for better or for worse. There are layers to it if people care to take the time to look a bit deeper. The songs are sequenced so they kind of tell a story, though not in a ‘concept album’ sort of way. So people who like to look a little deeper into lyrics and things will hopefully find it rewarding to spend a bit more time with – but you don’t have to do that to enjoy it, I hope.

What’s next?

More records hopefully! I’ve written lots of new songs and want to get them out as soon as I can. I’m trying to think of a new way I can make my music available in a form I’m happy with, that bypasses a lot of the industry stuff that I’m not happy with. But then isn’t everyone?

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